Notes for Gemelo 8
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Gemelo 8 Plain
Solver difficulty rating
4.5 based on 53 votes (voting is now closed)
The G-rating for Gemelo 7 was the same as for its two immediate predecessors, and I certainly would have struggled to spilt the three of them difficulty-wise.
I will be interested to see what you make of this week’s puzzle. To my taste, there were far too many clues where I found myself working backwards from the answer to the wordplay; on several occasions, after decrypting the latter, rather than thinking “Of course” I was saying to myself “Hmmm”. I appreciate that when many of the words in the grid are in everyday use it is perfectly reasonable for the setter to make the cryptic aspects of the clue – both definitions and wordplays – tricky, but it should still be possible to get the answer from the wordplay without performing too many mental contortions.
Setters’ Corner: This week I’m going to look at a clue from Gemelo 7, “Custard apple, say, almost immediately out of fashion (5)” for ANONA. This raises a question which has often troubled me, and has prompted me to avoid the names of genera in my own puzzles wherever possible. ANONA is given by Chambers as ‘a tropical genus of dicotyledons, including custard apple, sweet-sop, and other edible fruits’, with GENUS being defined as ‘a taxonomic group of lower rank than a family, consisting of closely related species’. There’s no doubt that custard apples and sweet-sops belong to the group ANONA, but are they examples of ANONA? I don’t think they are, and I have never felt confident enough to use a definition which relies on something like this, but at the same time I think that we have to cut setters some slack in this area. When a solver looks up ANONA in Chambers and finds the definition given above, they will be in no doubt that they have the right answer.
Across
11a Fastidiousness, removing jacket with each drink (6, 2 words)
A six-letter word for ‘fastidiousness’ or ‘critical subtlety’ is deprived of its first and last letters (‘removing jacket’) and followed by the usual abbreviation for ‘each’, the result being the (3,3) answer.
12a Started dropping Australian after Stokes was out (5)
A five-letter word meaning ‘started’ (as a deer might have done from cover) without (‘dropping’) the single-letter abbreviation for ‘Australian’ follows (‘after’) the abbreviation for the CGS unit of kinematic viscosity (resistance to flow under the force of gravity), the stokes (not ‘Stokes’).
13a Plane returning empty, the craft perhaps fixed course (8)
A reversal (‘returning’) of three components – the word THE (from the clue) lacking its middle letter (empty), a three-letter word which (according to Chambers) shares a sense of ‘occupation’ with ‘craft’, and a three-letter word for the sort of fixed course someone with an occupation might get stuck in. The ‘perhaps’ makes me think that the setter himself may not have been entirely convinced about the ‘craft’ word, one of those situations where the various meanings of a pair of words are close to overlapping but it is hard to think of a sentence in which they would be truly interchangeable.
15a Question for Buddhist controlling study of the sacred language (6)
A four-letter word for ‘a nonsensical, logically unanswerable question given to students as a subject for meditation’ (‘question for Buddhist’) containing (‘controlling’) one of the two-letter abbreviations for the sort of ‘study of the sacred’ which constitutes a school subject. There are a lot of languages to choose from, but the one here belongs to two countries in East Asia.
17a Facetiously, one location where indicator is three feet back (3)
The three-letter abbreviation for the name of a particular British Crown Dependency whose symbol features three feet (associated with the motto “Whithersoever you throw it, it will stand”) is reversed (‘back’). It strikes me that ‘indicator’ is a bit of a stretch for ‘symbol’, and that the symbol includes three feet, but not just the feet.
18a Ponder newspaper article (8)
A (4,4) phrasal verb meaning ‘ponder’ shares its letters with a word meaning ‘a newspaper article begun on the front page and continued overleaf’. There isn’t enough distance between the two etymologically for my liking.
24a Increasingly highly valued letter-opener previously sent to palace? (6)
The wordplay requires us to imagine how one might have begun a letter to the old Queen (‘letter-opener previously sent to palace?’) had one chosen to address her by her cipher rather than her name (Brenda, if you’re a Private Eye reader).
25a Native American companion for Paul going west with Chinese (8)
The five-letter ‘companion for Paul’ is reversed (‘going west’) and followed by a word for the native Chinese people. My first thought on the companion was ‘Art’, but it turns out to be the name of a saint who accompanied Paul the Apostle on his second missionary journey (although it seems that Paul refers to him by a different name in his letters to the Corinthians and the Thessalonians). A correspondent suggests a certain resemblance between this ‘companion for Paul’ and last week’s ‘Woody’ for STRODE.
Down
1d Black ice: two vessels getting close to disaster following a line (12)
The usual abbreviation for ‘black’ is followed by a four-letter word for a piece of ice prepared for sporting activity and two words (three letters and four letters) for the kind of vessel that would sail the seas (the former these days only seen in a compounded form describing a vessel which would have engaged in hostilities, with the Portuguese form thereof still posing a threat to bathers). The answer is a word coined by Adlai Stevenson. In January 1956, US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles said in a Life magazine interview when describing how the Eisenhower administration had kept the peace during several international conflicts that “You have to take chances for peace, just as you must take chances in war. Some say that we were brought to the verge of war. Of course we were brought to the verge of war. The ability to get to the verge without getting into the war is the necessary art. If you cannot master it, you inevitably get into war. If you try to run away from it, if you are scared to go to the brink, you are lost.” The following month, in a speech in Hartford CT, Democratic presidential candidate Stevenson observed, “We hear the Secretary of State boasting of his ????????????—the art of bringing us to the edge of the abyss.”
2d While happy with capital of Turkey, what about visiting Cyprus? (8)
A four-letter plural given by Chambers for the four-letter ‘standard monetary unit of Turkey’ (‘capital of Turkey’) and the usual two-letter interjection answering to ‘what[?]’ are reversed (‘about’) inside (‘visiting’, not an insertion indicator that I like) the IVR code for Cyprus. Adverbs can be difficult to define without resorting to another word with a ‘-ly’ ending, but I’m not sure that ‘while’ plus an adjective means the same as the corresponding adverb, with one relating to a state and the other to an event.
3d Produce young fish in container, that which may have caught them up (6)
A three-letter word for a container (a straw or rush basket) for fish, or for the 10 stone of fish contained therein, precedes the reversal (‘up’) of a word for something in which fish are often caught (‘that which may have caught them’).
4d Former president spending money – and very high note! (3)
There are an awful lot of former presidents (and one or two awful current ones), but here it is the surname of the president of South Africa between 1994 and 1999 which must lose (‘spending’) the usual single-letter abbreviation for ‘money’ and the consecutive letters AND (from the clue).
5d I love your heart, regularly lost before the day starts (6)
Alternate letters (‘regularly lost’) from YOUR HEART follow the two letter abbreviation for the Latin phrase meaning ‘before the day’ (ie ‘before the day starts’, although that ‘repositioning’ indicator ‘starts’ sits rather uncomfortably at the end of the wordplay).
8d Preserve element of rule – first, don’t mention it to Klopp or Postecoglou? (12, 2 words)
Here we must assemble the components of the wordplay around the usual abbreviation for ‘rule’. Before it (‘first’) comes a German interjection with many senses including ‘please’ and “you’re welcome” (ie “don’t mention it to [former Liverpool manager Jurgen] Klopp”. After it are the word OR (from the clue) and the nickname of the Australian who has recently been appointed as the manager of Nottingham Forest (‘Postecoglou?’).
13d Skin designs earlier covering over armadillos (6)
An old five-letter spelling for the sort of skin designs that might be applied in a parlour with a name such as ‘Permanent Mistakes’ or ‘Pigment of Your Imagination’ contains (‘covering’) the usual cricketing abbreviation for ‘over’.
27d Spoil market without trouble (3)
It would be very easy to biff the wrong answer here, but the right word for ‘[to] spoil]’ is produced by taking a three-letter word meaning ‘trouble’ (as in “what troubles you?”) from the end of a six-letter word meaning ‘[to] market’.
(definitions are underlined)

Hello. Well I go back to mid-60s Ximenes for when I started (young!) and while I can’t say I’ve solved every Azed, there was always an element of what Derek MacNutt (Ximenes, if you don’t go back that far) described as “the sound of a penny dropping” when you finally solved the wordplay. I take this to mean it’s accompanied by a smile – with Gemelo’s, it’s usually a groan and possibly “For heaven’s sake…”. There’s no fun. A number of setters these days seem to lose sight of the fact that it’s supposed to be a form of entertainment – albeit a fairly narrow definition of that word. No-one seems to mind (as I do) when the “false capital” appears, like Barking for “mad”. Ximenes would find a way of putting that word first in the sentence! And “che” is not synonymous with “revolutionary” (and “abe” does not equate to “president”…!) Yes, early days but Gemelo seems to be clever for the sake of it and maybe a touch of “Look how clever I am…”
Hi Norman, and welcome to the blog
Regarding the use of ‘false capitals’, something that doesn’t appear to trouble Gemelo and is often seen in blocked puzzles, as I observed in the comments for Gemelo 4:
“Adding an initial capital to words which do not require a capital in the cryptic reading is generally considered acceptable (although the reverse, deceptively removing a capital, as in “Victor is in nice undergarment” for VEST, where the cryptic reading requires ‘Nice’, is not allowed). The argument usually put forward is that words which do not normally warrant an initial capital (such as ‘sport’ in 13d) could on occasion be seen with one, eg at the start of a sentence or in a title (‘A Question of Sport’). I don’t condone the practice, since it seems to me that part of the setter’s art is to manoeuvre such words (eg ‘henry’ for H or ‘stokes’ for S) into a position in the clue where the capital is justified in both surface and cryptic readings, which is 100% crafty and 0% unfair.”
We’ll have to agree to disagree…
I thought we were agreeing 🙂
‘False capitalization’ is something that I don’t like and that I avoid in my own clues, but Ximenes wrote, “May one use a capital, where it isn’t necessary, in order to deceive? Yes, at a pinch”, while Azed says, “I regard upgrading a lower-case initial to a capital as acceptable – just”.
*sigh* I’m in agreement with those who miss Azed. Each week I put dots next to the clues that I’ve answered without first looking up or searching for the word. Just four this week, down to three as it wasn’t licorice. I need to start recording how far that I get before coming here. 😞
Hi 🍊
Yes, I’ve never actually waded through treacle, but…
I was introduced to AZED 16/17 years ago by a colleague. Eventually I worked up to submitting solutions. AZED clues could often be challenging, but on solving left admiration for the definition and satisfaction and often a smile at the answer. An enjoyable experience.
So far with Gemelo, despite completion, it is more of an academic drudge (5 if not 6 this week) and leaves me more than a little flat. Sorry Dr, Clue.
Hi David, and welcome to the blog
There’s no need to apologize to me! It sounds as though we started solving Azed at around the same time, when he was still at the peak of his powers. Some acts are hard, if not impossible, to follow, and anyone trying to imitate the Azed of 2008 is doomed to fail. But one should also remember that by then he had set around 1,900 Observer puzzles, while Gemelo has so far set just 8; in my introduction I suggested that I hadn’t found this one to be a satisfying solve, but it is still very early days. I’m glad that the Observer went for a younger setter, however the reality is that when it comes to plain barred puzzles any setter under 60 is going to be learning on the job, and finding the ‘sweet spot’ for their audience can take time.
In Last Bus to Woodstock (written 1972-3), Colin Dexter wrote “Crosswords were a passion with Morse, although since the death of the great Ximenes he had found few composers to please his taste.” I’m sure that once Azed got into his stride Morse would have modified that opinion.
Evening Dr Clue
Thanks for your reply. There is always hope !
DP
Referring to your “Anona” comments from Gemelo 7 , I am quite happy with the use of the Generic name as an indicator. The Genus is always the first word in the Linnaean name for a species, and thus is a clear indicator of the species in question being an example of that Genus. A more familiar example might be the Genus Homo. Here we have H sapiens, H. erectus, H. habilis, H. neanderthalensis, etc. etc. All these could clearly be referred to as examples of “man” – in the human being rather than the gender indicating sense. There are also many more familiar examples from the vegetable kingdom; Brassica, Pisum, Phaseola, Malus, etc.
Thanks, John – that’s interesting.
I still have a slight concern in that Chambers explicitly gives ‘brassica’ as ‘a plant of the turnip and cabbage genus (Brassica) of the family Cruciferae’. We could describe a cabbage as a brassica just as we could describe a spaniel as a dog (although in both instances we would be implying something like ‘type of’, hence in cruciverbal terms it is a definition by example). But could we describe the custard apple as ‘an Anona’ rather than ‘an anonaceous fruit’?
The one that I had to write a clue for recently was MILVUS, shown by Chambers as ‘the kite genus of birds of prey’. I opted for ‘rapacious group’, but possible alternatives would be ‘kite, say’, ‘kite’, ‘kites generally’ or ‘kites’ – would you consider any or all of those valid?
I would definitely choose your clue, as the solver would have to crack the word play- and then confirm that it is Milvus. Any use of the word “kite” (with any of the qualifiers your quote) could rapidly lead to Milvus with minimal research.
Pedants’ corner: the plural for lira given in Chambers is “liras” (English) or “lire” (Italian). The Turkish plural is “lirasi”, so Gemelo would have been better with “Italian capital” – admittedly making Cyprus less relevant …
Fair point. In the Notes I was careful to write “A four-letter plural given by Chambers for the four-letter ‘standard monetary unit of Turkey’”; although my cursory research had suggested – as you have confirmed – that ‘liras’ is the correct plural of the Turkish sort of lira, since Chambers (the standard reference) doesn’t say which plural belongs to which currency it could not reasonably be said that the clue was faulty. If Gemelo had opted for the Italian currency, he would have had to say something like ‘former capital of Italy’.
Hi Doctor, I’m stuck on 20d ??h?oe, and is 19ac All,?o??s, liquorice sweets? I found this pretty difficult too!
Hi Fiona
20d – the wordplay involves a two-letter abbreviation for ‘that is’ being followed by an anagram (‘moving’) of HOME, the abbreviation being not for ‘id est’ but for ‘scilicet’, used in legal documents with the meaning ‘namely’ or ‘to wit’.
19a – the ‘no Quality Street?’ certainly needs the question mark on the end; if you didn’t have any Quality Street, you might only have chocolates from Cadbury’s competing brand, in other words ALL ?????.
Hope that helps!
All done thanks to you..a head scatcher but I’ve learnt some new words , not that I’ll remember them !!
I too went straight to “Art” for Paul’s companion! And, before I had any letters, I came up with “toffee” for “don’t mention it to Klopp”, which I thought was quite clever. Sadly, my Chambers had never heard of such a preserve. Hardest Gemelo so far in my opinion, by some way.
Hi Peter
I’m glad it wasn’t just me with Art! Regarding ‘toffee’, as my Latin master Mr Freeman used to say, “Nice idea, but…” 🍬
Congrats on your win in Gemelo 5.
Struggling with this! Perhaps I’m just missing Azed very badly – the end of an era. Looked early at your comments as a result. Attempting to adapt. S x
Hi Susan
The average solver difficulty rating is currently sitting at 4.5/5, which would suggest that this was up there with the very hardest plain Observer barred puzzles of recent times, and I certainly wouldn’t disagree with that. There’s definitely quite a bit of adapting required, with Gemelo’s style being very different from Azed’s – I’m still trying to adjust my solving antennae as well!
Yes. Totally agree. I’ve almost given up on it (see previous post) and I’ve never missed a (comp) puzzle before. My ‘solving antennae’ need some sort of CPR, I think! S
I can’t decide if 6D is clever misdirection, or sloppy ambiguity. The last two letters could be either “close to”, or “close to reception”. I lost far too much time convincing myself there was an actual definition in the clue. Correct, yes, but maybe unfair?
Hi Jim. I’m another Jim. If you look up the answer in Ch one possibility is a 3-word phrase. If you put the middle word into Ch you’ll get the identical phrase. The first and last words are unnecessary for the def. So I suggest it’s fair enough. Two other clues were, in my view, not, and the good Doctor agrees. I’m one of the ‘4’ voters.
The definition is surely “reception” – as in a reception room?
Just to be clear:
6d Indian tree close to reception (5)
The ‘Indian tree’ provides the first three letters of the answer and the ‘close to’ delivers the remaining two. The definition (as MP says) is ‘reception’; Chambers gives one meaning of this word as ‘a reception room’, which exactly matches one of the senses which it lists for the answer.
Too hard / convoluted to be much fun this week , I’m afraid. We had a record 6 unparsed.
I don’t think you’ll be alone in that view…in fact, I know you’re not 🙂
Please can you put me out of my misery and help me with 31a ? I think it’s the person sitting an exam – but why?? Many thanks in advance.
Hi Paul
31a Person sitting round bodies, mostly European (6)
The ’round bodies’ are ones that resemble specific parts of the male anatomy (and share their formal name); they lose their last letter (‘mostly’), with the usual abbreviation for ‘European’ being tacked on the end. As you say, the definition is based on the sense of ‘sit’ given by Chambers ‘to undergo an examination, be a candidate’. Hope that helps.
OMG (it’s not part of my anatomy I see much of anymore!) – but thanks again !!
Too much information 😱
I looked up Hyrax and discovered that its ‘round bodies’ can swell to 20x their normal size in the breeding season. I suspect a few humans in London thought they were more aggressive, but I have my doubts.
Many thanks for the analysis. You’ve helped me out with the football managers and the president.
Tougher than recent weeks I thought, though I did manage to finish, albeit with a few unparsed.
I meant to enter a G-rating of 4 but hit 3 and it won’t let me change it!
You might need to refresh/reload the page before it will let you have another go!
No luck, but never mind, I’ll live with the 3.
I’ve removed a 3 from the list of votes (it may not be your one) and added a 4. If someone notices that their ‘3’ vote has disappeared, Jay’s ‘3’ now belongs to you!